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Joe Pokaski Interview: Cloak & Dagger

Joe Pokaski Interview: Cloak & Dagger

Joe Pokaski is not any stranger to tremendous heroes.  He wrote a number of episodes for the tv collection Heroes, and a pair for Netflix’s Daredevil. Pokaski is now the creator and showrunner for the Marvel tv collection Cloak & Dagger, based mostly on the characters from Marvel comedian books. The present airs on the cable community Freeform.


Cloak & Dagger is about in New Orleans and is filmed on location.  When speaking concerning the choice to movie there, Pokaski stated:

“It’s humorous, the preliminary intent, and I feel we talked about this just a little bit with the junket, was to maneuver it out of New York, we felt there have been loads of superheroes there.  But the sudden consequence was a to get this type of visible aptitude. I imply even taking a look at what Jennifer Phang did with the swamps final night time, it permits you to inform the tales you have not essentially seen in superhero fiction earlier than. And final night time particularly was– I used to be simply very proud that we’re capable of contact on a bit little bit of vodun. Touch on a bit of little bit of the ecosystem of New Orleans. Even displaying that amusement park that was sort of ravaged by storms. As nicely as touched on, the socioeconomic realities within the Duane and Tyrone story. So, I didn’t– I anticipated New Orleans to be fascinating and we all the time speak about it turning into a personality. But I could not have deliberate on a metropolis that might supply a lot coronary heart and a lot story to the Cloak & Dagger mythology. So, it has been actually lucky, and our writers have actually mined type of the potential.”


Mina Hess is an unique character created for the Cloak & Dagger tv present. She is an environmental engineer who befriends Tandy, aka Dagger.  Speaking of Mina, Pokaski stated:

“I feel the preliminary factor with Mina was to actually arrange, I understand I am within the Marvel universe so I’m misusing this time period, type of a What If for Tandy. What if all the things went proper and she or he was capable of turn into a scientist, like her dad.  Mina represents that. And so, I feel the thrilling factor, with out spoiling an excessive amount of within the subsequent episode is, Tandy will get to satisfy Mina’s father in his personal thoughts. And she will get to sort of discover a few of her personal points together with her personal dad. But I feel the essential factor for final night time was to really– I feel typically in comedian books, the daughters of scientists grow to be waitresses. And we now have to ensure we’re clear in our world that the daughters of scientists can typically turn out to be much more sensible scientists. So, I feel it is actually about opening Tandy’s potential in addition to the distinction in emotional baggage that she has, in comparison with Mina, who has a comatose dad, however she will nonetheless be with him and speak to him each day.”


Detective Brigid O’Reilly is a personality from the primary unique Cloak and Dagger comedian.  In the tv collection she is a detective from Harlem who doesn’t consider anybody is above the regulation.  When requested about Detective O’Reilly’s future, Pokaski stated:

“Listen to you’ll be able to’t say sufficient about what Emma Lahana is bringing to the character. When we speak about a robust cop, that is precisely what we would like. Emma and I had a number of conversations about methods to symbolize her as a robust human being. Not making an attempt to put on a person’s hat to slot in with the boys. Swear an excessive amount of or something like that. In [episodes] 5 and 6 is the place we began sort of becoming in the place we see it is sort of Cloak & Dagger and O’reilly. And she’s one of many characters that carries round storylines. In episode eight, you are going to see her story type of crescendo in an fascinating approach. And then in episode 9, we’re actually going to sort of see the start of a unique type of arc for O’Reilly. So, I feel that the sweetness that Emma did– you take a look at Aubrey and Olivia and it is plain how superb Cloak & Dagger are. And for an actress and a personality to sort of slip in and grow to be the third Beatle has been actually only a testomony to type of what Emma brings to the display.”


“We have a incredible group,” Pokaski stated, when speaking concerning the present’s music.

“I really like music and tv. I attempted to sort of slot in as a lot music into tv as I have been working my entire life. On Underground, Misha [Green] and I have been very specific on music. We began the entire season with the Kanye track.  And John Legend clearly was an enormous a part of that present. So, we attempt to– once I came to visit to Cloak & Dagger, I attempted to deliver on as a lot of the group that was out there.”

“So, Jonathan Christiansen, our music supervisor, provides me an inventory of just about a thousand songs at first of the season. He reads the 100-page doc about what the season’s going to be about. He scours unknown bands and type of units us up with a playlist to consider.  And then the writers dig into that, and we discover music. And then our editors dig in deeper. So, it is actually a course of the place we begin with the director’s minimize that has some music decisions. If there are 5 songs, one or two of them will stay.

“And then we simply really– I simply take heed to songs in my automotive and drive my spouse loopy. I do all this stuff the place principally we’re all the time listening for the right track. It’s all the time superb although. We typically discover one which’s from one other style that is so totally different and sudden that it actually works even higher. I overthink it, is the brief reply to that.”


Cloak & Dagger chooses to speak about many points related to as we speak’s youth.  Explaining why, Pokaski said:

“I feel a part of it’s as a result of these tales are crucial factor occurring to youngsters as we speak.  First of all, I feel it is a testomony to Marvel, like I grew up in a special period, however Marvel has all the time been on the forefront of social justice. Whether it is totally different characters and even, you already know, Cloak and Dagger initially have been sort of invented to characterize the risks of drug abuse. So, I feel a part of it is sort of woven in to the material of Marvel and woven into Cloak and Dagger.  But it is also… we’re dwelling in an period the place I consider that the youngsters are going to save lots of us.”

Pokaski concluded with:

“I strongly consider that it is on each era to save lots of, the world from the follies of the earlier one. I feel the youngsters are going to save lots of us if we have now any hope. And I really feel like Tandy and Tyrone have to cope with actual points if we will speak about that.”


The Walt Disney Company, the proprietor of Marvel Entertainment, is presently within the means of buying Fox Entertainment.  This would deliver the X-Men franchise and mutants again to Marvel.  When requested if this might change issues, Pokaski stated:

“It’s fascinating.  I keep in mind they… and I’m making an attempt to ensure I get my comedian guide historical past proper, there may be somebody at Marvel that should right me.  But as I perceive it, initially Cloak and Dagger have been affected by these mutant– by the contaminated heroin.  And then there was an period for in all probability I feel two or three years the place it was The Mutant Misadventures of Cloak and Dagger.  They even frolicked at Utopia with the X-Men.  So, I feel– truthfully, there’s some many issues that would change, I feel it is in all probability somebody method above my pay grade, who can determine whether or not these guys are mutants or not.  Or whether or not or not the factor that Marvel did.  Where they made them mutants, after which there’s a pair panels someplace that I keep in mind taking a look at once I was researching this that recommend that they undid the mutant factor.  And they advised them they have been by no means mutants in any respect.”

He cheerily continued:

“I’ll gladly take heed to the deep, highly effective overlord at Marvel inform me tips on how to react to the mutant factor. But it is simply a lot enjoyable, when accompanied by different corporations, it is in all probability scary on some degree, however on this case, I feel Marvel comics are presupposed to crossover they usually’re supposed to attach. And there’s nothing higher than The Runaways [comic book] the place they are saying bye Cloak and Dazzler, and also you get that look on Tandy’s face.  So, hopefully we will sort of begin constructing a world the place we will have one thing like that.”


Speaking about The Runaways tv present, Pokaski stated:

“Yeah, no, pay attention, I am an enormous fan of Josh [Schwartz] and Stephanie [Savage]. I feel they’re actually nice storytellers. I actually simply despatched Josh an e mail saying I used to be scared about premiering in the summertime with this present. But then I remembered how The O.C. sort of had its personal lane. Hopefully Cloak & Dagger can emulate that. It looks like probably the most enjoyable we will have, is crossing over with The Runaways. The actors look like actually nice youngsters. I am an enormous fan, so that might be my first selection. And clearly I’ve somewhat altar in my bed room with Spider-Man’s image that I mild a candle day-after-day. And hopefully, the gods will allow us to, allow them to play.”


Joe Pokaski has all the time been a comic book ebook fan. And he’s recognized about Cloak and Dagger a very long time. Joe defined:

“I used to be a Spider-Man man, you realize what I imply? I grew up and Peter Parker was like, he was my hero.  So, I keep in mind first seeing Cloak and Dagger once I was undoubtedly in single digits, of age. And opening them up and type of understanding that they have been slightly totally different. So, I’ve all the time been an enormous fan. They all the time… there’s one thing so distinctive about them as a result of you’ll be able to open up an Avengers ebook they usually present up and also you simply sort of smile. Or there is a massive occasion, like House of M, and even within the comedian books… Civil War. It’s like Cloak and Dagger, that is once they get to return out and shine and play with the remainder of the staff. So, I’ve all the time been an enormous fan.  They all the time convey an enormous smile to my face once I see them in any e-book.”


When requested which must-see-superheroes he thinks ought to seem on tv, Joe stated:

“Um, must-see-heroes, I feel Moon Knight is so proper. You know?  I feel Moon Knight… the thought of the schizophrenic superhero might be a lot enjoyable.  I really feel like that is sort of a no brainer. I imply, pay attention, I feel a variety of the more– I additionally assume that, simply give me some deep dives on some– the thought of a Great Lakes Avengers or a West Coast Avengers is fascinating to me.  Five years in the past, I might’ve stated Runaways, I might’ve stated Cloak and Dagger, I might have stated the Punisher. But they’re all discovering these superb actors and bringing them to life.”


Talking about the way forward for the collection, Pokaski stated:

“I feel episodes one by means of 4 are act one, to convey these two collectively. Episodes, 5, six, and 7 are principally these two understanding themselves as not solely a staff, however as associates.  Really type of understanding this stranger is one among my pals. And then episode eight, 9, and ten, actually sort of come again to the core points that got here at them within the premiere. And they each in episode eight, and let me know, hit the buzzer if I am saying something spoiling. But in episode eight, they each sort of deal with their largest issues and there is combined outcomes.  One will get what they need. One of them completely won’t. And then episode 9, in basic hero’s journey, we will knock them each on their asses. And then they rise to the event in ten. Pretty good path, proper?”

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