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PostTopic: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:28 am


Hello All,

I assumed this account, first hand, would deliver new perception into the retrieving of the missing Colors of the 1/24th Regiment and the current Fugitives Drift discussions on this discussion board.

Verbatum transcription from the data of the NMP ;

Ten days after the Isandlwana battle and the day earlier than my get together was to be relieved at Rorke’s Drift, we have been turned out lengthy earlier than daylight to make a touch for Isandlwana, to hunt the missing colors of the 24th Regiment. We have been extremely elated at the prospect of being the first get together to return to the battlefield at Isandlwana , however it was not till we had left the Rorke’s Drift laager, that Main Black of the 24th Regiment , who commanded the expedition, advised us the place we have been going.

We made a fast passage and noticed no Zulu’s till we reached the scene of the bloodbath, when a couple of Zulus appeared on the hills round us and watched our actions.

The lifeless our bodies of our males mendacity on the battlefield weren’t almost so decomposed as we anticipated to seek out them, owing tho the reality, I presume, that the Zulu’s had made the regular incision ( disembowling) in the abdomen.
The skins on the faces had dried like parchment and the options of every man remained virtually lifelike.
We have been desirous of seeing our lifeless comrades however have been referred to as away to look amongst the lifeless our bodies of the 1/24th infantry close to the place the guard tent had been standing, and the place we anticipated the colors can be discovered.

Our efforts weren’t rewarded with success , however we discovered a great sum of cash mendacity about , for it seems the Zulu’s had no worth for coin.

As the Zulu’s elevated in numbers on the surrounding hills , Main Black was compelled to rush the search and retire , however we dare not return to Rorke’s Drift by the similar route , lest an ambush had been ready by the Zulus for us.

Tpr Cyril Hamilton and I have been left on the Isandlwana Neck ,with orders to stay there till Main Black of the 24th, fired a “retire” sign gun shot from the level of a hill in the path of Fugitive’s Drift. We watched the get together underneath Main Black disappear round the nook and on listening to no gun shot, the sound of which couldn’t have reached us in any occasion, as soon as Black’s celebration have been round the hill, we disobeyed orders and cleared for all we have been value.

The Main advised us afterwards that he dare not hearth the sign shot as a result of the Zulu’s have been too near him and he was afraid that the enemy would take the shot as an indication of assault.

We adopted the route taken by the fugitives on 22nd January final, and having ridden over the nation with no enemy after me , I can solely marvel that anybody succeeded in reaching the Buffalo River on that fateful day. We have been maybe in almost as nice a rush to get away as the fugitives have been , however so rugged and stony was the nation which we travesed that a fleet-footed Zulu would have had no problem in maintaining with us.

We handed quite a few lifeless our bodies on the route and at one place I discovered a lifeless European NCO of the Natal Native Contingent, with an assegai piercing his chest and a lifeless Zulu mendacity by his aspect. That assegai was displayed for some years in the NMP Head Quarters officers canteen in Pietermaritzburg , however was later stolen from there .

The descent to the Buffalo River from the ridge alongside which we had ridden , was appalling and I fairly anticipated that we might lose a few of our horses on the path down . The river at this level was unfordable , even when it had not been in flood , so have been have been compelled to swim throughout it, precisely as the fugitives had.

As soon as throughout the river and in Natal we had no worry of pursuit and have been capable of look at the banks of the river the place we have been lucky sufficient to seek out considered one of the missing colors . Traces of the retreat on the 22nd have been to be seen in all places, lifeless horses, clothes, a couple of lifeless males, assegais’s , shields and so forth and the our bodies of Melville and Coghill have been discovered somewhat above the river, on the aspect of a hill.

A messenger having being despatched on forward to announce our success , we made our means again to Rorke’s Drift, and have been a lot astonished at the pleasure there. The troops in the laager turned out and introduced arms , previous troopers got here up with tears of their eyes and kissed the color , in order that one was capable of perceive how troopers fought for the commonplace, or colors, in the Napoleonic wars.

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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:48 pm


Nearly says all of it. Idea

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previous troopers got here up with tears of their eyes and kissed the color , in order that one was capable of perceive how troopers fought for the commonplace, or colors, in the Napoleonic wars.
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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:09 am


Barry

As you realize, I’ve lengthy been an admirer of Tpr (later Chief Commissioner) Clarke as the NMP/NP’s unofficial historian. This publish, and your different current diary excerpts, have significantly elevated my respect for this man. Future Zulu Conflict historians will probably be paying extra consideration to his writings.

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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Sat Dec 10, 2011 eight:27 am


The complete account, now accomplished must be posted in the eye witness part.
Thanks Barry for sharing this with us a exceptional perception from somebody who was there.

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PostTopic: Tpr Clarke’s diary transcripts   Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:24 pm


Hello OH2, Brett Hendey and Impi,

I’m happy that you simply discovered the numerous transcripts fascinating. I’ve another of the every day transcripts to complete, ie the ultimate half of 23/01/1879.
I’ll then give Tpr Clarke’s account of the horrible circumstances in the Rorkes Drift hospital, by which he was given up for lifeless.

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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Wed Sep 19, 2018 eight:16 am


Barry
You talked about that this was from ‘NMP Data’. Are you able to provide a reference or accession quantity and date for the doc.? Thanks.

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PostTopic: Recovering the missing 24th Colors , NMP Data    Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:09 am


Julian
Not wanting to leap the gun , however I feel you will discover what Barry posted comes immediately from Trooper Clarke’s Diary ? .
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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:27 pm


90th
That is what he usually writes however at the head of this submit he wrote ‘Verbatim transcription from the data of the NMP’ – that is why I am asking!

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PostTopic: Recovering the missing 24th Colors , NMP Data    Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:07 am


Julian
I see what you imply , I discover it is from 2011 , hopefully Barry sees your publish , ahead of later .
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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:14 am


90th
Hopefully!! It does not learn like a diary extract. In truth I am positive it isn’t. It reads extra like later reminiscences.

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PostTopic: Recovering the missing 24th Colors , NMP Data    Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 am


Sure , Barry will type it out a method or the different , I want Barry might get the Clarke diaries revealed , they’d definitely make good studying . I feel they’d be pretty fashionable as nicely , perhaps he might get a print run of 500 or so , can be far simpler to get them revealed in Sth Africa I might think about ? .
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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Thu Sep 20, 2018 three:49 pm


I want Barry might get the Clarke diaries revealed

Properly stated 90th, assured sale right here Salute c’mon Barry. Salute

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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:10 pm


90th/xhosa
Are you conscious that a model (edited however all the similar fairly detailed) of Clarke’s reminiscences has for at the least 43 years (to my information) already been in the public area?
Clarke, Trpr. W. J., N.M.P., ‘My Career in South Africa’, Campbell Collections, acc. no. 31184 MS CLA 1.092
I purchased an entire photocopy of it from the then KCAL again in 1975.
Barry’s occasional ‘diary’ extracts add significantly to this as may the piece from ‘NMP data’ above.
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PostTopic: Col W.J.Clarke   Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:16 pm


Hello  all,
Apologies for the late response to the members of this discussion board.
So, now to the diaries. The 9 quantity set of Colonel Clarke’s originalhand written diaries opens,in 1878, with the following stern prohibition, in his personal copperplate handwriting ;

            these diaries shall not be revealed till 100 years after my dying.

He died in Might 1936!
Along with detailing his every day involvement in lots of wars round the nation, and past, in the 1000 web page diaries additionally they detailed his regular police work. This included the point out of felony exercise in Natal basically.
The prohibition on publication was to guard the integrity of the households of some fairly outstanding individuals ( politicians and so forth) in colonial Natal who have been discovered to be concerned in felony actions ( has something modified? )
The Remininces are a abstract of his life against a everyday account which the diaries supply. These comprise some 115 foolscap pages solely.
Colonel Clarke, along with being the OC, was the official regimental historian of the NMP so fairly naturally had many letters, studies and so forth in his personal papers. These are all in my possession.
He was additionally the founding father of the NMP Police journal referred to as the Nongai. He was a serious contributor to the writings revealed therein and one particularly  titled A Historical past of the Natal Mounted Police was his and contents from his diaries
have been used for the most half with further contributions from NMP coi ‘s and reviews from members. So, the  Recovering of the Colors which I submitted was extracted from the Nonqai article and can thus haven’t any accession quantity.
The diaries have been additionally utilized by Holt to write down his e-book on The Historical past of the NMP.
I’ve a word to assist POT and YMob with info which they need, I ask them to bear with me  just a bit longer while I cope with my transfer.

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PostTopic: Reovering the missing 24th Colors NMP Data Tpr Clarke    Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:45 am


JW
Thanks for the info re Clarke’s reminiscences , and no , I wasn’t conscious of it being in the Public Area . Julian , to what number of pages does your copy run ?
Barry
Nicely , it is going to be an extended wait ! , glad you have been capable of reply our questions , how have you ever been in addition to bloody busy by the sound of it ? . All the greatest for the refurbishment .
Gary

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PostTopic: Re: Recovering the missing 24th Colors, NMP data, Tpr Clarke reporting   Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:03 am


90th
As Barry stated 115 pages (the reminiscences).
Barry
I am actually grateful on your clear rationalization of the numerous supply supplies for the Clarke quotations. It explains a number of issues.

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